Re: Hirudo killers

[Steve Ames <steve@ns1.cioe.com>]

> If the GM plays it smart, Hirudo are to be completely feared.

I say the same thing about water mages :)

> Its
> the bad GM that makes them worthless.  

That too.

> A group of rate 50
> ones and a rate 100 one should be able, if played well, to put
> down about anyone.  

Woa! I never realized how much water mages and Hirudo had in
common.

> As for the rate 100 against a rate 100 hirudo..hirudo wins.

I said I'd go on that...

> It Shades(or whatever the higher rank immune to magic spell is), goes
> in, gets close, and drops the spell.  Bang, I'm in melee, you didn't
> see me coming.  That means a surprise round that I grab you in, and
> next round, you get encured and soon after die. 

Wrong. That's not playing smart, thats playing against the rules.
Shade takes 3 rounds to cast and cannot be cast in daylight. I kill
you. When you drop the spell you should pray for the flip-flop or..
(you guessed it) I kill you. Assuming you do all this on the stealth
and are actually trying to jump me, sure take the suprise round. You
grab me. I verbal cast a divine word... you die (if you fail the
check). You bite me. Existing rules say I'm dead, so I DI and maybe
your dead to. My rules, I divine word you again, or attempt a stress
break. You don't have a guarenteed kill here. I could use wrestling
squirm or whatever it is to break also.

> Or use the lower rate one, and toss an Ombrodolor or two, may be
> 2 at the same time with defer, and you are gonna blow that check,
> but regardless you are stunned and loose a round min.  You blow
> the check, I gingerly walk up, and grab you and have dinner.

Old rules. New ombrodolor doesn't cause a penalty for making the
check. Its no longer an instant killer. And your assuming suprise
again. What if I'm stalking you and hit you with some deferred
fireballs?

> Or worse yet, just to be a complete bastard, I defer 2 mucks, and hit
> you with'em.  You have to make all 4 checks instantly, since the
> checks go off with each round of casting(read the spell), the defer
> makes you take'em all instantly, then you get hit with a 2nd one
> in the same round.  Or worse, I corrupt you, enjoy the disease, I
> hope you make the check, oh whoops..you did..you're still screwed.

Old rules on corruption again. My writeup fixed that as well.

Muck is rate 10 right? It takes about 39 rates just to have muck
and defer 10. So about 60 rates of spells to be able to defer it
twice. And this thing didn't start a hirudo so it probably has at
least 20 rates of something non spellish. That only leaves about
20 rates for DP, mods and wrestling. At base 900 the higher spells
are not something you can just toss around. The rate 50 ones can't
do it at all. Do the math kids.

> Current writeup hirudo are killers pure and simple, and if played
> smart can kill anything. But granted that argument works for near
> anything as well, but they do have the distinct and obvious advantage
> of versatility over other types of characters(Warriors the melee
> beasts).

I've not even tried to argue current writeup hirudo. I view that as
not worth arguing as they would unimously be voted down. I'm arguing
altered Hirudo. No less the killers in their own way, but more in
keeping with other backgrounds.

						-Steve