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RE: tackling (was Re: anything i wsay..)
I'm expecting to be tackled also but for some reason you get to
hit me, stand up and swing a sword 5 times while I curl into a
little ball and wonder where my mommy went. *tisk* Free round
stuff is _BAD_. Say the person loses a round after being tackled
that at least keeps tackling from creating exceptions in the system.
(Side topic... did we ever clear up using only one skill per round?
If that limit exists then this discussion is stupid)
Tackling is an exception to the rules. I get to use my tackling
skill, knock your ass down, stand up and then multi-attack.
Meanwhile you just lie there and the rest of the party (also
engaged in more conventional combat) looks on in awe at the speed
with which I move. Right then.
Or hey. I say to the GM. "If I make a check at 1 die higher can I
not fall down with the guy I tackle? 2 dice?" I'd go for an extra
two die check no problems. Then instead of having to stand up you
can get a _GOOD_ sword swing in.
Can you tackle someone with your sword drawn? Or does it get in
the way. does the tackled party drop their weapon? Or do they
remember how to hold onto their weapon while forgetting how to
stand up?
> Fuck, Lyle, when you tackle someone you're completely expecting to end up
> on your ass. That'd make it a lot easier to stand up afterwards.
>
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> On Thu, 13 May 1999, Lyle H Janney wrote:
>
> > Christ Jevan, I can't believe that you think it takes .8 seconds to
> > stand. The fifth movement rule cannot possibly cover standing
> > up. It is far easier to move 10 feet (assuming you are mostly
> > unencumbered) when you are already standing, than it is to
> > stand up after being forcefully placed on the ground (especially
> > if you are at all encumbered). You of all people should be looking
> > to realism (i.e., drag your ass of the ground in less than a second
> > after begin dropped during Bujinkan training; oh, yeah, and also
> > take a few well-placed swings right after you've done so _and_
> > have all that happen in 4 seconds. Right....).
> >
> > Lyle
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jevan Furmanski [SMTP:furmansj@ecn.purdue.edu]
> >
> > Jesus Steve, I can't believe that you think it takes 4 seconds to stand.
> > The fifth movement rule clearly should cover standing up. I have al
> > ways seen it as covering momentary actions like moving 10 feet or joggling
> > for line of sight. You of all people should be looking to realism.
> >
> > On Thu, 13 May 1999, Steve Ames wrote:
> >
> > > > Ending up on your back doesn't mean much anymore since you can use a fifth
> > > > of your movement to stand up.
> > >
> > > ? The GM that allowed that goofed. Standing up is an action. It takes
> > > four seconds just like swinging a sword. This is a power-gamer abuse.
> > > 1/5 movement refers only to your base movement rate. I believe the
> > > writeup says as much.
> > >
> > > Standing up, while movement is not part of your "base movement". Swinging
> > > a sword is "movement" but you wouldn't try to say its "base movement"
> > > would you?
> > >
> > > This is one of the weakest abuses I've seen in a while. Everyone doing
> > > it had to know it was wrong and you just closed your eyes to powergame
> > > better. Sick, sad world.
> > >
> >
> > Standing is just a convenience. People can attack from the ground in AQ.
> > You seem to be concentrating on one particular and ignoring the topic,
> > which is the free round given by tackle. Can someone tackle another and
> > knit for 4 seconds? Does their "base movement" double since they get a
> > new full round that the guy's friends just stare and gawk?
> >
> > > The original proposal and writeup can be found at:
> > >
> > > http://www.cioe.com/~khelek/aqmail/msg01195.html
> > > http://www.cioe.com/~khelek/aqmail/msg01373.html
> > >
> > > If you can stand up using only 1/5 of your movement rate than
> > > hell, you've always been able to stand up and then move the
> > > other 4/5 right? Wrong. Think.
> > >
> >
> > There is no always Steve. The new rules are constantly being tested by
> > the people that show up. Realism only occurs by adapting the rules in a
> > gaming situation. Spending four seconds to stand up is idiocy. Think.
> >
> > Jevan
> >
> > > -Steve
> > > >
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> > > > On Wed, 12 May 1999, Steve Ames wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Don't forget that the tackler starts his free round laying on the ground.
> > > > > > There are very few skilled actions other than wrestling I would allow from
> > > > > > this position.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hence "dirty blow". I agree.
> > > > >
> > > > > > >Look at it logically. In combat, people are "combat ready". A simple
> > > > > > >tackle is no longer enough to knock someone to the ground. You must
> > > > > > >grapple to throw them to the ground. And then they are certainly not
> > > > > > >going to be so suprised that you get a free round or even a free
> > > > > > >action.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here I must strongly disagree. Tackling skill is just that...skill in using
> > > > > > speed, momentum and force to drive your opponent to the ground. If you are
> > > > > > skilled in it, the fact that they see it coming, or are comabt ready has no
> > > > > > affect whatsoever. Looking at it logically, a fullback with the ball tucked
> > > > > > under his arm as he goes through a hole is "combat ready", a skilled TANG
> > > > > > will still paste him. Surprise has nothing to do with the free round
> > > > > > bestowed, it's the fact that the opponent suddenly finds himself flat on his
> > > > > > back gazing at the stars, when the blow lands.
> > > > >
> > > > > With all due respect the fullback isn't carrying a sword.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Steve
> > > > >
> > > >
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