"a lot easier"? Sure, Joel. Lets you and I test that sometime, eh? Lets see how fast you get up after tackling me as well as how fast I get up after tackling you. This should be pretty fun, actually. Lyle -----Original Message----- From: Foo [SMTP:fooboy@laf.cioe.com] F***, Lyle, when you tackle someone you're completely expecting to end up on your ass. That'd make it a lot easier to stand up afterwards.