RE: weapon list to peruse

[Greg Mowczko <mooch@ns1.cioe.com>]

1d12? No way I had them demote my pole-ax down to 1d12 and it is a
weapon of war.

> From: Lyle H Janney <lhjanney@adpc.purdue.edu>
>
> Not to mention the fact that it is awful tough to breathe while wearing
> a dented breastplate, and a maul could definitely dent a breastplate.
>
> Nope, I still like the d12 level of damage, still without possibility of any
> multi-attack.
>
> Lyle

Yep pretty much against the very large two handed weapon with multi-attack.
But not a problem with the 1d8. The benifit of the maul is the extra distance
you don't need to cover to hit people. Stay back or I will whack you again.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wright Frazier [SMTP:khelek@ns1.cioe.com]
>
> A block of wood has mass, but its gonna knock around someon.  This is
> fine for lesser armors, but against things like full plate its not gonna
> be that effective.
>
> Further only the last few dp(last 6 or so) is you taking actual horrible
> damage.  till then its dodging juking, getting tuckered out, may be getting
> a few minor cuts and bruises.  a maul is a _TOOL_ not a weapon, and
> is not quickly or easily used.  Hince why it does lower damage.
> If you hit a normal person(6dp) with it, they are seriously hurt or dead.
> If you attack a trained combatant(7+dp) they can dodge a couple of shots,
> or only get a glancing blow that doesn't kill'em.  End result its
> a slow and clumsy weapon that people can dodge,b ut when you do get
> the final hit, they die.

Ummm. With Lyle here. There is no concensus with what a DP is. The best I
can get is as you fight more you learn to take the hit more. So while the
hits keep coming you can ignore them more. I don't like the "tired out"
part of your reasoning. A hit needs to mean a hit that impairs you. Get
punched in the face a couple of times and you fall down and maybe get
back up. If you don't get back up you have less DP. Most of DP damage I
would guess is bruising damage. The weapon hits you/your armor and you
feel it but aren't down for the count. In real life you get shot while
wearing a bullet proof vest you go down and then get up with a bruise. The
difference is our armor can take all the repeated hits without detriment.

> Halberds on the other hand are fairly easy to use weapons, being designed
> for killing and all.  Hince why its damage is higher.  Its faster and
> easier to use.  Same with greatswords, broad swords, long swords, etc..
>
> Wright
>
> > Uh, what?  I'm sure we all recall that cool scene in Braveheart when the one
> > soldier used a maul (a block of wood at the end of a long stick) and virtually
> > crushed the scull of another soldier.  While this was Hollywood, I have it on
> > good authority from many SCA fighters (who study medieval fighting quite
> > deeply) that this was not far from reality.  I'd think the Maul would do a d12
> > but you wouldn't be able to multi-attack with it (it _is_ after all, a large block
> > of wood at the end of a long stick, it takes a second or two to re-cock it for
> > another swing).  Just my two cents based on past discussion with others.
> > 
> > Lyle

That hit in Braveheart was just a crit. :)

							Greg