Re: Proxy vote and quorum

[Jevan Furmanski <furmansj@expert.cc.purdue.edu>]

Actually, if you took any mental notes, I was agreed apon as the note
taker, and I do have ver batum what was agreed apon at that meeting.
There is no mention of having to write up anything, officially, and the
only scenerio in which one has to write anything up is in an official
proposal to Dan.  He requested that, and that has nothing to do with the
Gms.  So, to answer your questions, I am in charge of taking notes and
votes at meetings, and do have what was voted in as the rules for voting
procedure in my possesion.  You could have written them down too, I put
them on the board.

Jevan

On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Benjamin Austin wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Jevan Furmanski wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Benjamin Austin wrote:
> > > 
> > > John,
> > > 
> > > It was assumed that you were voting for both of your proposals and poxied 
> > > as such.
> > Wrong.  The way you find out what the proposal is, is to read it.
> > Bringing up a proposal at the prior meeting is to get a proposal on the
> > table two weeks before it is voted on for discussion.  That is all, and
> > that is what was agreed apon when we decided these things.  And you were
> > not there.
> > 
> > Jevan
> > 
> 
> Wrong!  I assume that you are addressing the paragraph below and not my 
> comment to John as your placement indicates.  I WAS there at the meeting 
> at the beginning of this semester where the policies are procedures were 
> laid on the table.  Thanks for taking notes - oh, wait, we don't _have_ a 
> person there to take notes.  WHAT was I thinking?!  How dare I presume 
> that I should have something to take away from the meeting or be able to 
> reference.  Gee, what else COULD that pertain to?  
> 
> How am I to be certain what the proposal is if it is not handed out at 
> the meeting?  Email?  Not everyone that attends the GMs meetings has 
> email, do they?  How are we to have a discusion on it in the meeting if 
> we do not have it in front of us?  As you will recall, the reason behind 
> having it submitted two weeks before was so that we could discuss it and 
> have time to think about it before it was voted on.  By simply saying "I 
> submit such&such proposal" seems to indicate that you don't want people 
> to be certain what the proposal is or have time to think about it.
> 
> How am I to know which proposal is being addressed or 
> submitted?  Let see, an easy way to solve this is to kill 1/100,000 of a 
> tree and pass out 16 papers (or 80 if its a drowning proposal) with it on 
> there.  Or is the effort too much for you?
> 
> BJ
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > As a point of order (not directed a you, John), a _written_ proposal needs 
> > > to be submitted two weeks prior to voting.  Otherwise, how are we to know 
> > > exactly what the proposal is?  "No, it's not the fourth proposal of 
> > > mine.  It's the sixth where I changed the wording of the first line in 
> > > paragraph 86."  To be honest, if John had simply announced at one meeting 
> > > "Oh, I submit my drowning proposal" I wouldn't have a clue as to which 
> > > one it was.  I understand that there is an "archeive" or such of all the 
> > > emails submitted to the list but I don't keep every email sent to me nor do 
> > > I have web access; and I know I'm not the only one.  Honestly, it is best 
> > > to go to a minimal effort to print out/photocopy one's proposal before a 
> > > meeting in order to avoid a whole bunch of confusion about who got what 
> > > or when.  If you don't feel as though you have time, let me know and I'll 
> > > help.  Otherwise, perhaps you are not serious enough about your proposal 
> > > to have the rest of us consider it.
> > > 
> > > BJ
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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