Re: Elven Priests

[Steve Ames <steve>]

Perhaps. But just as we do not rule based on precedence anymore, I'd
hate to see us start to rule by hearsay. And even if Dan _DID_ say
this... maybe he was wrong.

					-Steve

> Quite true, Jevan.
>
> Dan has stated quite specifically to both Lyle and myself that elves _CAN_
> be priests of T'or because of how they become priests and how
> they get their powers.  It does not involve the soul.  The 'divine'
> crap that is used, goes through the weapon and from a many years of
> hard physical training to learn to do all the stuff, and from being
> blessed by the all'mighty T'or to go whoop some ass in the name of
> justice.
>
> So re: Lyle. No Lyle, I don't think this is tabled, and you were there
> 	and heard just as I did when Dan told us that elves could
> 	be priests of T'or for the exactly reasons listed above.  Ones
> 	that have been listed on this group before I believe.
>
> Wright
>
>
> > If anyone was thinking that being a priest of tor would make them a lean
> > mean killing machine, then I would say "read the manual."
> > 
> > Always_  it is more effective to just be a warrion than to be a priest of
> > tor.  With 4 groups at base 600, I would rather have one at 300 or 360.  I
> > think some people were concerned with roleplaying, and not power-gaming.
> > 
> > I believe that from the beginning priests of Tor were suposed to be
> > martial artists  and not strict priests.  Their abilities came in the form
> > of spiritual enlightenment and not spell units and spells.  How many times
> > do you remember the reply to the question for punching and kicking (as
> > well as defensive and grappling) skills  "no, martial arts are for the
> > priests of Tor."  If no one else remembers these times without wrestling
> > skill and punching and kicking skill, they might remember the rationale
> > behind Dan's hesitance to introduce them.
> > 
> > Jevan
> > 
> > On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Lyle H Janney wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you, Steve.  I agree and add the suggestion that there is no
> > > real _need_ for elven priests of T'or.  If you (any GM) really need a
> > > lean, mean elven killing machine, just create a kick-butt warrior with
> > > some appropriate skills.  The elven equivalent to a Surma guard
> > > would have a high ambush score (to be aware of possible ambush
> > > situations and, coupled with enhanced hearing/sight, gain something
> > > akin to the T'orite danger sense), very high weapon skill, lots of DP,
> > > and a good smattering of street skills.  They would basically be a
> > > good all-around mercenary who's willing to take the hit for their
> > > employer.  Sure, its great to be different/special (like an elven priest
> > > of anything would be), but not when it is counter to the whole flavor
> > > of the system.  Any existing priestly elves are abominations and
> > > examples of a poor precedent taken too far.
> > > 
> > > Now, if there are still any real proponents for elven priests, bring it
> > > up as a proposal at the next GM's meeting.  I think we've heard
> > > enough of the arguments one way or the other and can make a final
> > > vote to end this thread once and for all.  If it comes up that a majority
> > > vote calls for elves to be allowed as priests, then we can put the idea
> > > before Dan as endorsed by the local GMs.  In any case, the topic
> > > will no longer exist on the mailing list and we can get back to dealing
> > > with the real issues in our campaign.
> > > 
> > > Lyle
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Steve Ames [SMTP:steve@ns1.cioe.com]
> > > 
> > > Gotta ask. Why is there so much "demand" for Elves to be priests?
> > > Used to be the answer was a quick and emphatic "NO". Now they can
> > > be lay priests and *gasp* even real priests (of T'or). What up?
> > > 
> > > Being a priest is all about the "soul" thing. You don't have one,
> > > you can't be one. Pretty cut and dry.
> > > 
> > > A priest without a soul is like a Nomad without a spirit. It cannot
> > > happen. It does not happen. Whatever bad rulings allowed elves to
> > > be priests of T'or should be stopped. If T'or is spiritual rather than
> > > soul drivin then it leaves the realm of the divine and moves towards
> > > philosophy/way of life. If this is the case we don't really need a
> > > T'or... just a 'Way of T'or'.
> > > 
> > > 						-Steve
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