Re: Elven Priests

[Wright Frazier <khelek>]

Quite true, Jevan.

Dan has stated quite specifically to both Lyle and myself that elves _CAN_
be priests of T'or because of how they become priests and how
they get their powers.  It does not involve the soul.  The 'divine'
crap that is used, goes through the weapon and from a many years of
hard physical training to learn to do all the stuff, and from being
blessed by the all'mighty T'or to go whoop some ass in the name of
justice.

So re: Lyle. No Lyle, I don't think this is tabled, and you were there
	and heard just as I did when Dan told us that elves could
	be priests of T'or for the exactly reasons listed above.  Ones
	that have been listed on this group before I believe.

Wright


> If anyone was thinking that being a priest of tor would make them a lean
> mean killing machine, then I would say "read the manual."
> 
> Always_  it is more effective to just be a warrion than to be a priest of
> tor.  With 4 groups at base 600, I would rather have one at 300 or 360.  I
> think some people were concerned with roleplaying, and not power-gaming.
> 
> I believe that from the beginning priests of Tor were suposed to be
> martial artists  and not strict priests.  Their abilities came in the form
> of spiritual enlightenment and not spell units and spells.  How many times
> do you remember the reply to the question for punching and kicking (as
> well as defensive and grappling) skills  "no, martial arts are for the
> priests of Tor."  If no one else remembers these times without wrestling
> skill and punching and kicking skill, they might remember the rationale
> behind Dan's hesitance to introduce them.
> 
> Jevan
> 
> On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Lyle H Janney wrote:
> 
> > Thank you, Steve.  I agree and add the suggestion that there is no
> > real _need_ for elven priests of T'or.  If you (any GM) really need a
> > lean, mean elven killing machine, just create a kick-butt warrior with
> > some appropriate skills.  The elven equivalent to a Surma guard
> > would have a high ambush score (to be aware of possible ambush
> > situations and, coupled with enhanced hearing/sight, gain something
> > akin to the T'orite danger sense), very high weapon skill, lots of DP,
> > and a good smattering of street skills.  They would basically be a
> > good all-around mercenary who's willing to take the hit for their
> > employer.  Sure, its great to be different/special (like an elven priest
> > of anything would be), but not when it is counter to the whole flavor
> > of the system.  Any existing priestly elves are abominations and
> > examples of a poor precedent taken too far.
> > 
> > Now, if there are still any real proponents for elven priests, bring it
> > up as a proposal at the next GM's meeting.  I think we've heard
> > enough of the arguments one way or the other and can make a final
> > vote to end this thread once and for all.  If it comes up that a majority
> > vote calls for elves to be allowed as priests, then we can put the idea
> > before Dan as endorsed by the local GMs.  In any case, the topic
> > will no longer exist on the mailing list and we can get back to dealing
> > with the real issues in our campaign.
> > 
> > Lyle
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Steve Ames [SMTP:steve@ns1.cioe.com]
> > 
> > Gotta ask. Why is there so much "demand" for Elves to be priests?
> > Used to be the answer was a quick and emphatic "NO". Now they can
> > be lay priests and *gasp* even real priests (of T'or). What up?
> > 
> > Being a priest is all about the "soul" thing. You don't have one,
> > you can't be one. Pretty cut and dry.
> > 
> > A priest without a soul is like a Nomad without a spirit. It cannot
> > happen. It does not happen. Whatever bad rulings allowed elves to
> > be priests of T'or should be stopped. If T'or is spiritual rather than
> > soul drivin then it leaves the realm of the divine and moves towards
> > philosophy/way of life. If this is the case we don't really need a
> > T'or... just a 'Way of T'or'.
> > 
> > 						-Steve
> > 
> > 
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