Re: Here it comes (Was Re: New Plan)

[Joel Gunderson <belgarat@expert.cc.purdue.edu>]

I dunno, Steve.  I thought he made a pretty good example of the
rumors/gossip that everyone seems to take so personally lately. ;)

Joel


On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Steve Ames wrote:

> > > pathetic groups ever assembled. I've had self righteous GMs shut down
> > > entire plot lines of mine based on player rumor (Dan, Lyle?). I've had 
> >
> > Isn't Dan the Campaign Moderator? i.e. he CAN
> >
> > Did you approach him and talk about it? as suggested above?
> 
> What is this? Isn't this the kind of shit that I just advocated shouldn't
> be spewed in public? You are unaware of the situation and it doesn't
> really concern you.
> 
> In fact the option to talk was not presented. Dan and Lyle ran
> adventures that deliberately whacked all of my plot lines with
> that acknowledged goal. Why stir this stuff up John? What good
> can it serve?
> 
> > You have/had a HIRUDO ... you know, the character in the book prefaced by
> > (paraphrased) PLAYERS CAN'T PLAY THESE!  Regardless of legitimacy behind
> > your playing it, to all appearances you appear to be
> > bending/torquing/breaking the rules because they expressly say NO.
> 
> Dan made my character a Hirudo. Again you are ignorant of the situation.
> 
> > Add to it the "local rules" that are added to the Centralia setting or the
> > "Hirudo write ups," or "special defensive skill" that fairly regularly pop
> > up in non Centralia games, and you wonder WHY people may have issue.
> 
> What "local rules" are these? Care to substantiate? The Hirudo writeup
> was submitted to Dan way over a year ago and posted to this list. What
> special defnesive skill are you talking about?
> 
> This is the kind of rumor mongering that causes problem. I think you
> just labeled yourself part of the problem and not the solution.
> 
> > If you want to have localized rules for your setting
> > If you have the permission of the campaign moderator (regardless of WHO it
> > is)
> > If you keep the local rules LOCAL ie NOT SPILLING INTO OTHER GM's GAMES
> >
> > I got no problem with that.  It's not my cup of tea, but it's not a
> > problem.
> 
> In point of fact, you are totally fucked up on this.
> 
> > HERE'S the problem:
> >
> > Those most visible Torquing the existing rules are among the most vocal of
> > the advocates on this group calling for rule consistancy through finalized
> > modification.
> 
> Show me one rules torqe that I have committed. Go ahead.
> 
> > The cynic in me wants to believe this is so the torqued rulings may stand
> > as cannon.
> >
> > The rest of the person hopes this is not true.
> 
> *snicker*
> 
> > Dan is campaign manager because the club voted him into that postion.
> > Allah did not rule it so, he did not part the Red Sea, He did not inherit
> > the throne.
> >
> > THE CLUB voted Dan into a postion that THE CLUB understood involved being
> > in AUTHORITY over the GMs
> 
> Umm... when did this happen? Should I call the secretary and have the
> minutes checked?
> 
> > > I think this thread should be dropped. No good will come of it.
> >
> > Then why are you continuing it with this post?
> 
> And you with this one?
> 
> > If I have a serious problem ... I doubt anyone on the list thinks I would
> > not let whomever the problem was with not know about it.
> 
> I do.
> 
> > Shouldn't the club officers be involved (read as RUNNING) a big portion of
> > this, especially the administration stuff?
> 
> No. I don't think so. The club is not connected to the campaign and we
> are discussing campaign activities. The club handles such issues as
> getting rooms, deciding which groups to allow access to their rooms,
> should dues be collected, activites carnival, where to spend money,
> etc...
> 
> These are strictly campaign matters and have no bearing on the club as
> they would work just as well without them. Don't confuse the two.
> 
> I haven't read the rest of my email yet, but I hope someone else jumps
> on John about this posting. It was uncalled for and directly insulting
> without any shred of evidence to backup any of his wild accusations. In
> other words, the exact behavior that himself and others are condemning.
> 
> 					-steve
>