RE: Nomads and body hopping

[Lyle H Janney <lhjanney@adpc.purdue.edu>]

But Steve, when they've supplanted the spirit/soul of another person,
they just crossed the line.  Understand?  Guardian Spirits aren't all
goodness and light, but the idea of the sanctity if one's spirit/soul is
is absolute; either it is to be held sacred, or it doesn't matter one iota.

Time sharing is one thing, it doesn't expel the original spirit/soul and
thus does not cause a problem.  Second-lifers completely expel the
spirit/soul of the original owner of the body, and that is what must
occur when body hopping, if the spirit/soul entering the body wants to
have complete control that is.  Under 'normal' circumstances, a nomad
and their guardian spirit are two separate entities; a second-lifer is
just a body that a 'guardian' spirit has forcefully taken over.  When a
nomad personally and intentionally takes over the body of another,
they are crossing some line.

Now, you reply, "But, Lyle, what about Spirit Exchange?"  Well, the book
_does_ describe this incant as having 'debatable propriety'.  I've only
heard of this incant being used once, and that was by my nomad, Martin
(he's just the cook; well, actually, he's now just another spirit on the
Kurago).  Anyway, as a result of using this incant, he had the opportunity
to take over, permanently, a body that was much stronger and more agile
than his original body.  After some thought, he realized that doing so would
make him no better than a second-lifer (not his guardian spirit, but him
personally, as it would be his spirit/soul, not the guardian, that had
supplanted the original spirit/soul).  So, after finishing what he needed
to do, he allowed the spirits to return to their original bodies before
proceeding with the completion of the adventure.

As for incants that have been removed from the originating nomad, I've
checked and there is no mention of incants being "reset".  The exact
wording is "Objects endowed with incants slowly lose their potency
once removed from their creator, becoming completely inert in 2 days
times the rank of the incant."  Preceding that statement is the line,
"The nomad keeps these close to his body until needed."  These two
statements indicate to me that it was never the intention that a nomad
could "reset" an incant that has left their near vicinity for a period of
time.  Whoever started this long ago (probably based on some poor
precedent resulting from GM mistake) should be shot; we've all been
handling these incorrectly since then.  Unless Dan wants to make an
official change to allow incants to be "reset", we'd all better go back to
handling this the right way; no incant resets.

Lyle

-----Original Message-----
From:	Steve Ames [SMTP:steve@ns1.cioe.com]
Sent:	Thursday, August 06, 1998 8:01 AM
To:	gmlist@cioe.com
Subject:	Re: Nomads and body hopping


Where do people get the idea that guardian spirits are all goodness and
light? Second lifers aren't body hoppers they are guardian spirits who
took over their host for a second round in the game of life.

It is easily seeable that you have a guardian spirit with an agenda
who isn't willing to cross the line and become a second lifer. I've
also seen guardian spirits who time-share the nomads body... with the
nomad's permission. They aren't second lifers either.

						-Steve

> I agree it should be some mental ability, and the guardian spirit should
> be SERIOUSLY peeved at body hoppers.  Less, as Lyle said, they are
> second lifers.
>
> As for time limits.  *shrug* I've always thought, and run it, that
> so long as it is reconnected for some period of time it resets
> the timer.  After thinking about it, say the same amount of time
> that it took to make the thing originally sounds good.  That way
> you don't get the single touch recharge.
>
> Wright
>
> > As for Nomads jumping from body to body doing the burn and run. There
> > is nothing to stop them except ( as Lyle points out ) their gaurdian
> > spirit.
> > 
> > One theory that Steve and me had bounced around was not having HEA as
> > the "incant" stat and use WIL instead. This would stop the jump and
> > burn since it is still your WIL. Another thing I thought of was to
> > have anything created through the burning of someone run out when out
> > of that body's possession for the same amount of time that incants
> > last now when not possessed by a Nomad.
> > 
> > This last bit brings to question that time limit. Is it cumulative?
> > Does it reset whenever the Nomad possesses it? Can I have a Nomad
> > make me a luck amulet and ( providing I don't use it ) have him
> > reset that 2 week limit on the last day it will work? I don't see
> > why this should happen ( but then again I don't see why not ).
> > 
> > As for the 10.1 pound rock being cracked in half ( or just chipping
> > a .2 pound chunk off ) the soul goes to Infero ( DI time ).
> > 
> > 					'Nuff spew
> > 					Greg
> > 
>
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