Re: tackling (was Re: anything i wsay..)

[Steve Ames <steve>]

> Ending up on your back doesn't mean much anymore since you can use a fifth
> of your movement to stand up.

? The GM that allowed that goofed. Standing up is an action. It takes
four seconds just like swinging a sword. This is a power-gamer abuse.
1/5 movement refers only to your base movement rate. I believe the
writeup says as much.

Standing up, while movement is not part of your "base movement". Swinging
a sword is "movement" but you wouldn't try to say its "base movement"
would you?

This is one of the weakest abuses I've seen in a while. Everyone doing
it had to know it was wrong and you just closed your eyes to powergame
better. Sick, sad world.

The original proposal and writeup can be found at:

http://www.cioe.com/~khelek/aqmail/msg01195.html
http://www.cioe.com/~khelek/aqmail/msg01373.html

If you can stand up using only 1/5 of your movement rate than
hell, you've always been able to stand up and then move the
other 4/5 right? Wrong. Think.

					-Steve
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> On Wed, 12 May 1999, Steve Ames wrote:
>
> > > Don't forget that the tackler starts his free round laying on the ground.  
> > > There are very few skilled actions other than wrestling I would allow from 
> > > this position.
> > 
> > Hence "dirty blow". I agree.
> > 
> > > >Look at it logically. In combat, people are "combat ready". A simple
> > > >tackle is no longer enough to knock someone to the ground. You must
> > > >grapple to throw them to the ground. And then they are certainly not
> > > >going to be so suprised that you get a free round or even a free
> > > >action.
> > >
> > > Here I must strongly disagree.  Tackling skill is just that...skill in using 
> > > speed, momentum and force to drive your opponent to the ground.  If you are 
> > > skilled in it, the fact that they see it coming, or are comabt ready has no 
> > > affect whatsoever.  Looking at it logically, a fullback with the ball tucked 
> > > under his arm as he goes through a hole is "combat ready", a skilled TANG 
> > > will still paste him.  Surprise has nothing to do with the free round 
> > > bestowed, it's the fact that the opponent suddenly finds himself flat on his 
> > > back gazing at the stars, when the blow lands.
> > 
> > With all due respect the fullback isn't carrying a sword.
> > 
> > 						-Steve
> > 
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