Re: tackling (was Re: anything i wsay..)

[Jevan Furmanski <furmansj@ecn.purdue.edu>]

I disagree.  From personal experience, tackling is much easier to do to a
combative opponent than just trying to grab on and throw them.  I think
that there is a definite distinction between grappling and tackling.  

when I said "free action"  I meant an unopposed action, not the free
action in the book.  Blind siding someone might give a full unopposed
round, but that would be surprise anyway and doesn't require a skill.

Tackling can also be seen as an "overbear" manuver where an armed opponent
just rushes another, and blocks attacks as he body-checks the other
knocking him over.  This would make more sense in a combat situation than
the standard football style tackle.

Jevan 


 On Wed, 12 May 1999, Steve Ames wrote:

> > On that note, I had a rather vicious game the other day, and concluded
> > that tackle skill should provide a free action, not round, to the
> > aggressor.  This would be an unskilled action such as a punch or a grapple
> > or a move out of melee.  Since tackle has only 2 xtra dice to agility,
> > most good warriors can make the check to run into combat and tackle an
> > opponent, and still get a round as if they were in melee for the entire
> > round.  Either that or it should be non defaultable, with a high base
> > cost.
> 
> Tackling, as written, is not intended for combat use. It designed to
> start a fight with an edge. You tackle the person, use your free
> round to deal a dirty blow (or pick a pocket or stand up) and _THEN_
> initiative starts.
> 
> This is not an in-combat skill. The silly restriction of a full
> movement running start was a weak attempt to take it out of combat.
> 
> Look at it logically. In combat, people are "combat ready". A simple
> tackle is no longer enough to knock someone to the ground. You must
> grapple to throw them to the ground. And then they are certainly not
> going to be so suprised that you get a free round or even a free
> action.
> 
> I counter propose that tackling be written to say that the victim
> cannot be involved in melee.
> 
> 						-Steve
>