Re: rent-a-bod

[Orion Furmanski <thelaw@expert.cc.purdue.edu>]

On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Jevan Furmanski wrote:

> Those blue pills you took weren't decongestants...
> 
> It becomes convenient to define what is and isn't possible when you make
> up your own form of worship.  I think that demons would want everyone to
> have souls, because they are just so tasty...
> 
> AND, there is nothing that implies that Priests of Tor need a soul except
> that the book says that part of their soul is in their weapon.  Wouldn't
> part of their spirit go with the shard of soul anyway?  Maybe the shard of
> soul isn't what does the trick.
> 
> Jevan

Aha! This little blurb from the manual could be taken in a couple of
different ways. Is it just a symbolic gesture (quenching with blood) of
placing a little piece of "soul" in the blade, not unlike becoming a
"blood brother/sister" ?  On the other hand, it _could_ actually be a more
supernatural event, and THAT would imply some investment of soul.
Personally I have always taken it as some ceremonial rite or procedure.
I say let elves go on with their bad selves. Equal opportunity
butt-kicking in the name of T'or!

Orion F.

>
> On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > > 
> > Negative. This is just another instance of a bunch of elves getting
> > together and trying to infiltrate into diety-oriented groups. They
> > should stick with demon worship.
> > 
> > Being a priest for a demon only takes spirit and is thus much more
> > suited to elves. I think possessing a soul might even get in the
> > way. I know having a conscience does.
> > 
> > 						-Steve
> > 
> > > If torites are given a group of spells, this implies units, and thus
> > > changes them completely.  They do not get magic from Tor, and so don't
> > > need a soul as a conduit for the devine power.  However, I would
> > > conjecture that they have a spiritual bond with Tor, much like any martial
> > > artist grows spiritually, and since Elves have spirits they get the same
> > > perks.  This is substanitated by the existance of the "spirit Drills"
> > > group.
> > >
> > > torites should never have spells.
> > >
> > > Jevan
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Greg Mowczko wrote:
> > >
> > > > > From: Benjamin Austin <jedi@ecn.purdue.edu>
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Wright Frazier wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > How can full elves be priests of T'or?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Because no soul is required to be a priest of T'or.  The 'power' that tor
> > > > > > gives goes through the weapon ONLY.  Not through the priest.  The sword
> > > > > > is the focal point for the little bit of power t'or gives,t he rest
> > > > > > comes from all those years of training(the reason that other folks can't
> > > > > > be priest of t'or Oout of background).
> > > > >
> > > > > Disagree here.  Wright, there are three other groups of drills and only 
> > > > > one of them even has the words "holy weapon" in it.  The priest does not 
> > > > > need to have his weapon in order to perform any of these (save "Arm").  
> > > > > Priests of T'or cannot reseach drills either (grrrrrrr....).
> > > > 
> > > > Gotsa agree with BJ. It is not your weapon. It is definitely the Torite
> > > > and that little "switch" in his head. The reason why there can be Elven
> > > > is that Torites pull the "power" from within them. They do not rely upon
> > > > their divine nature. Tor cut them off. Elves have within them the
> > > > self-worth that Tor looks for.
> > > > 
> > > > > > This is also why priests of t'or cannot buy core spells. 
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason priests of T'or cannot have core spells is because of the 
> > > > > "Create Holy Symbol" spell.  You would never be out of a weapon.
> > > > 
> > > > Nope you can create a weapon just the same. If they had Core it would
> > > > make it harder to do. I believe that Torites should have 1 group ( of
> > > > course Elves can't use this ) and that Group is Ceremonies. It makes
> > > > the reason for a Holy Weapon make more sence. As a adventurer I can
> > > > make a Holy symbol for a Torite that he can use Drills with and there
> > > > is nothing to stop me once I was told the technique. If they had the
> > > > Ceremony group I couldn't do it ( or at least finish it ). In character
> > > > I have forged 2 Holy weapons ( this was all run through Dan for those of
> > > > you wondering ).
> > > > 
> > > > The only difference between the Ceremony and a CEREMONY is that the 2nd
> > > > implies a Godly connection. I can go to a ( choose your favorite religion )
> > > > ceremony and perform but due to my lack of "faith" I may as well not be
> > > > there I am just a placebo :) but I would have performed as necessary. A
> > > > ceremony is more than just "going through the motions". But due to the
> > > > lack of the Spell Group it is just that for Torites (or at least seems
> > > > to be).
> > > > 
> > > > I would like to see the Torites have that 1 group since no spell in there
> > > > should be able to affect a combat. And Torites "Last Rights" would be
> > > > more ceremonious than just breaking the sword.
> > > > 
> > > > > > He is the exception for how deities give their priests powers.
> > > > >
> > > > > And rather random about it two.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wright
> > > > >
> > > > > BJ
> > > > 						Greg
> > > > 
> > >
> > 
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