Re: A note from your friendly neighborhood Devil's Advocate

["Michael Kilgore" <khaakon@lycosmail.com>]

The only thing I know is what Mike told Melissa which was told to me.  I
would love to hear the other side of the story (facts please and skip
everything of a personal nature).  Normally, at this point I would back my
statements but Melissa does not want me to go blurting out the reasons
because they were told to her in confidence (a fact I did not know until
this very moment).  So on this revealation, I will back down.

As being a devil's advocate myself, one of the purposes of my message was to
show why Lyle is hesitant to post names to back his claim.  As a side note,
I understand why he doesn't but it does not help his credibility one bit.  I
think Jevan's comment shows that "various members of the GMLIST would run
down the list of names and give their own comments regarding certain people
on the list."

As for the inuuendo, I apologize but I was just trying to give a time frame
reference.  As for "crap", I figured "crap" was understood to mean things
that reduces one's enjoyment of the game.

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ames <steve@ns1.cioe.com>
To: furmansj@expert.cc.purdue.edu <furmansj@expert.cc.purdue.edu>;
khaakon@lycosmail.com <khaakon@lycosmail.com>
Cc: gmlist@cioe.com <gmlist@cioe.com>; lhjanney@adpc.purdue.edu
<lhjanney@adpc.purdue.edu>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: A note from your friendly neighborhood Devil's Advocate


>
>Wow Mike. That e-mail made my day. *wiping a tear from my eye* I don't
>think I've lauged that hard in days.
>
>BTW... I thought we agreed that inuuendo was a bad thing. Your message
>may have went out before the GM meeting so is excusable. In the future
>instead of saying 'crap' please give details.
>
> -Steve
>
>> You don't have any idea, do you?
>>
>> Jevan
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Michael Kilgore wrote:
>>
>> > To back Lyle on one of his assertions (which one, I will not say), I
know
>> > for a fact that Mike Brobst does show up is because of the crap that
was
>> > going on.  BTW, it is the same crap as to why Melissa and myself left
>> > Centralia and never looked back.
>> >
>> > The last time I remember him showing up for a game was a couple weeks
after
>> > he showed up to do something that is a hotly debated topic of past
weeks.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Lyle H Janney <lhjanney@adpc.purdue.edu>
>> > To: gmlist@cioe.com <gmlist@cioe.com>
>> > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 7:36 AM
>> > Subject: RE: A note from your friendly neighborhood Devil's Advocate
>> >
>> >
>> > >Very well, Mr. Independent Counsel, but do I have your word that, upon
>> > >presentation of evidence, you will publicly apologize for the slander
you
>> > >have done me?  I have personally accused no individual with my recent
>> > >assertions (just as I never accused nor intended to imply cheating on
>> > >Kris' part a couple weeks ago).  I am not a source of "constant
beligerance
>> > >and condemnation", nor do I "constantly critisize just for the sake of
>> > >disagreemant" (btw, please update your spell checker or buy a
dictionary).
>> > >Your desire to support your argument with such direct accusations only
>> > >shows _your_ ability to resort to belligerence and condemnation.
>> > >
>> > >Yes, you have written on the dwindling newbie population, and it is,
as
>> > >you say "absolutely a source of the thinning of the club".  However, I
am
>> > >asserting that it is not the only source.  You disagree.  That is
fine, but
>> > it
>> > >gives you no right to resort to the kind of accusations you make
below.
>> > >
>> > >I will attempt to petition those on my list in order to substantiate
my
>> > claims.
>> > >This may take some time, which I am short on of late, and many of the
>> > >people on my list just simply no longer show up so they will be harder
to
>> > >reach, so don't expect this anytime real soon.  Until then, I
challenge you
>> > >to keep any ear open to the complaints of others if you truly care so
much
>> > >about the membership of the club.  I may not be _entirely_ correct in
the
>> > >reason our older members are dwindling, but I know I am not entirely
>> > >incorrect.
>> > >
>> > >Lyle
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Jevan Furmanski [SMTP:furmansj@expert.cc.purdue.edu]
>> > >
>> > >I have already written on the dwindling population of newbies.  This
is
>> > >absolutely a source of the thinning of the club.  Your claims have no
>> > >substantiation without revealing credible sources.  I am starting to
get
>> > >angered now by your constant beligerance and condemnation.  We can
point
>> > >fingers and accuse, and that is exactly how people get wrong ideas
about
>> > >players and characters (watches of time stop, swords of all the Tor
>> > >drills).  We do not need a negative voice in the club to constantly
>> > >critisize just for the sake of disagreemant.  You are going to have to
be
>> > >a little more credible about your accusations or I am no longer going
to
>> > >entertain discourse that is just endless bickering.
>> > >
>> > >Jevan
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>